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	<title>Comments on: The Fluffy Stuff Makes Hardcore Business</title>
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		<title>By: Christian Güttler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Güttler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree so much as well! I had a meeting with a potential client the other day, which really nails this issue. The client’s goal was to get a website for their brilliant new business plan. We, of course, could be the partner to make this website for them. The only thing the client brought to the meeting was a good deal of confidence in them self, a good deal of disbelief in us and 2 pages of thoughts about their big plan (not their thoughts about what the website should contain in any way nor what they wanted us to deliver in any means) 
So we had more or less the following discussion:

Client: ...so this is the core idea! How do we get further from here?

Us: You mean according to making a webpage?

Client: Yes...and how do you find out what should be on the page?

Us: Well...uhm, we talk with you about what you want and what you feel we need to put in there. We can have a meeting where we discuss in detail what features the site should offer.

Client: but why should we have a meeting about that? Can&#039;t you tell us now what should be in there? Haven’t you worked on lots of similar cases before?  Isn&#039;t that what you do?  

Us: Yes that is what we do, but TOGETHER with you. We have to know what you want, before we can start anything. And we can’t read that out of these 2 pages you have written. That’s why we need another meeting where you have thought about what the website should be all about in advance – how the website can fulfill your business needs. That will bring the foundation for a detailed discussion - that then would lead to a strategy plan, flow charts, card sorting, wireframes, designs etc.

Client: Hmpf.. Ok, and what should that cost then?

Us: We don’t know until you have thought about what you want...

And so it continued. A very long meeting...:-)

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So Klaus, your comment about “Both the consultants and the clients must realize that it’s impossible to design - and build - anything if the strategy and business models are not there. …and that “just make it user friendly” is not a strategic goal in itself.” is so true. And as I see it, there is really no way or no argument for shortcutting this method of working. 

To keep the cake metaphor, you do not get a very good cake if you throw all the ingredients in a big bowl as fast as you can, and leave out the stirring, before you bake it. It IS possible to make a cake-like thing this way, but why not make the real thing if you can? 

And to be frank, I get slightly provoked when clients think that we are just selling “website packages” with no regards to customers or clients needs. You don’t need consultants for that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree so much as well! I had a meeting with a potential client the other day, which really nails this issue. The client’s goal was to get a website for their brilliant new business plan. We, of course, could be the partner to make this website for them. The only thing the client brought to the meeting was a good deal of confidence in them self, a good deal of disbelief in us and 2 pages of thoughts about their big plan (not their thoughts about what the website should contain in any way nor what they wanted us to deliver in any means)<br />
So we had more or less the following discussion:</p>
<p>Client: &#8230;so this is the core idea! How do we get further from here?</p>
<p>Us: You mean according to making a webpage?</p>
<p>Client: Yes&#8230;and how do you find out what should be on the page?</p>
<p>Us: Well&#8230;uhm, we talk with you about what you want and what you feel we need to put in there. We can have a meeting where we discuss in detail what features the site should offer.</p>
<p>Client: but why should we have a meeting about that? Can&#8217;t you tell us now what should be in there? Haven’t you worked on lots of similar cases before?  Isn&#8217;t that what you do?  </p>
<p>Us: Yes that is what we do, but TOGETHER with you. We have to know what you want, before we can start anything. And we can’t read that out of these 2 pages you have written. That’s why we need another meeting where you have thought about what the website should be all about in advance – how the website can fulfill your business needs. That will bring the foundation for a detailed discussion &#8211; that then would lead to a strategy plan, flow charts, card sorting, wireframes, designs etc.</p>
<p>Client: Hmpf.. Ok, and what should that cost then?</p>
<p>Us: We don’t know until you have thought about what you want&#8230;</p>
<p>And so it continued. A very long meeting&#8230;:-)</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>So Klaus, your comment about “Both the consultants and the clients must realize that it’s impossible to design &#8211; and build &#8211; anything if the strategy and business models are not there. …and that “just make it user friendly” is not a strategic goal in itself.” is so true. And as I see it, there is really no way or no argument for shortcutting this method of working. </p>
<p>To keep the cake metaphor, you do not get a very good cake if you throw all the ingredients in a big bowl as fast as you can, and leave out the stirring, before you bake it. It IS possible to make a cake-like thing this way, but why not make the real thing if you can? </p>
<p>And to be frank, I get slightly provoked when clients think that we are just selling “website packages” with no regards to customers or clients needs. You don’t need consultants for that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Silberbauer</title>
		<link>http://silberbauer.dk/wp/2007/06/the-fluffy-stuff-makes-hardcore-business/comment-page-1/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Silberbauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more!!
It is really difficult to grasp why some IT companies don&#039;t understand that the Design of User Experience is the strategic capability that will decide who is going to win or loose the battle for the next generation of digital communication products.
My guess is, that a company without outstanding UX competencies will not be able to make the cut and will, at best, be doomed to create nothing more than mediocre products and have a dissatisfied and shrinking customer base.
Who could imagine buying a BMW if UX was not an essential part of the product???
Check out this article about their development proces - Driven by Design: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/bmw.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more!!<br />
It is really difficult to grasp why some IT companies don&#8217;t understand that the Design of User Experience is the strategic capability that will decide who is going to win or loose the battle for the next generation of digital communication products.<br />
My guess is, that a company without outstanding UX competencies will not be able to make the cut and will, at best, be doomed to create nothing more than mediocre products and have a dissatisfied and shrinking customer base.<br />
Who could imagine buying a BMW if UX was not an essential part of the product???<br />
Check out this article about their development proces &#8211; Driven by Design: <a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/bmw.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/62/bmw.html</a></p>
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